The Baucus Bill: More of the Same
A number of people are emailing me asking me if I have read the Baucus Bill and what I think of it. The problem is there is no real bill introduced yet. What is available is what is called the Chairman’s Mark of America’s Healthy Future Act of 2009” to be considered by the Senate Finance Committee. There is no bill number and the language in the document available is not the same as will be in the bill itself. The current document compares existing law with what the general proposals are for the bill.
Now we have the additional problem that there are over 500 amendments to the Chairman’s Mark being proposed in the committee. However, in going over the Chairman’s Mark it looks like just more of the same. There is no public option offered like in the House Bill I read, but the Constitutional implications appear to be the same. The federal government through the Executive Branch will require everyone to buy health insurance and it won’t necessarily be the insurance an individual or family thinks is best for them.
Senior citizens must be particularly concerned because funding to Medicare is going to be cut to help pay for the massive program and the critical Medicare Advantage will be virtually eliminated. This is a program that allows seniors to buy supplemental insurance to Medicare and many won’t be able to afford proper care if this program is eliminated. Again, the Congress is taking aim at private agreements which is in violation of its Constitutional mandates.
The government will be regulating the entire health care industry including deciding what care has to be offered and what can be charged for it. There is no specific provision for denying care to illegal immigrants because there is no way to determine who is applying for the programs, particularly the public ones like Medicare. There is also no specific provision prohibiting the federal government from forcing insurance programs to pay for abortions or from forcing doctors or hospitals to provide abortions.
What is significant is that efforts by Senators to insert specific language into the bill that would prevent payments for abortions and prevent illegal aliens from having free healthcare paid for by American taxpayers has been defeated. Another amendment to make sure that people could keep their current insurance was also voted down by the Democrat majority. What is even more ominous for the American people is that an effort to make sure the people in this country had a chance to read the final version of the bill before it is voted on by the committee was also defeated. The amendment simply called for the bill to be posted on the Internet for 72 hours before a vote was taken.
There was apparently a great deal of concern about how many people have actually read HR 3200 so the majority of the Senators on the committee wanted to make sure that they weren’t bothered again by their constituents. Senator John Kerry pretty much summed up the elitist attitude many politicians have about us. He said that there was no reason to post the bill on the Internet since most of us wouldn’t understand it even if we read it. So much for transparency in government!
I will continue to monitor the bill and learn as much as I can. However, I suspect that ultimately the legislation coming out of the Senate will be done as quietly as possible and will be very similar to that introduced in the house. Here is link to the site where you can see the Chairman’s Mark. http://thomas.loc.gov/. However, be aware that are no section numbers and what is there now will read very differently when the bill is finally introduced.
I will make one final point. Supporters of the health care legislation are claiming that Congress has the constitutional right under Article 1, Section 9 to make this massive power grab. That section of the Constitution states that Congress has the power to provide “…for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States…”
This is circular reasoning on the part many liberals. The general welfare language is part of the body of the Constitution and James Madison, among others, considered it dangerously broad. That is one of the reasons for adopting the Bill of Rights. They were to limit what Congress could do under that clause. Now liberals are saying that the welfare clause takes precedence over the very amendments that limit it and it can be used to reduce rights under the amendments like the health care bills would do to the 9th and 10th Amendments, among others. This means that Congress can do anything it wants by claiming it is for "the general welfare"; they could reinstitute slavery, abolish freedom of speech entirely, or take away a woman's right to vote.
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I am greatly concerned about all of this and having studied a lot about WWII am terrified to think of this happening in my own country. What can I do? Who can I write to? Please if you have time let me know what I can do to try and stop this. I am only one person, but I can't sit back and do nothing.
Thanks for taking the time to post this.
Thank you for watching over this. I was watching CSPAN the last 2 days on how the Baucus committee's work on the amendments unfolding. It was slow and the votes are generally along party lines. Senators Ensign, Kyl and Grassley made good arguments.
Looking forward to your analyses.
The whole argument about illegal aliens and health care is a straw man. Jesus (my dishwasher, not the prophet) should be left to bleed out in the gutter because he cut himself on a kitchen knife? No, of course not, you say - he has Workman's Comp, right? Oh wait... he's illegal (and I'm pretty sure his employer won't be fronting the $$$). Well then, he should just pay an $1800.00 E.R. bill from his $5 an hour job. But wait, that's below the minimum wage. Yeah, it is, but he's "lucky to get it." Right? Are you with me? We exploit these people, and then we have the gall to blame them for getting sick or hurt, and pretend like we don't reap the rewards of their cheap labor. All the while yelling out the window, "Hey Juan, cut the hedges a little lower, O.K. a-mego?"
So... who pays for them now? You, pal, through higher insurance premiums. Only the uninsured don't pay. Just remember, before you kick them all out, just how much money they save you picking your fruit in the field, mowing your lawn, bagging your groceries, and wiping down your tables - all without benefits, overtime, holiday pay, or a minimum wage.
Dear Mr Connelly, Which large corporation or insurance company paid you off?
Poor illegal immiganta my foot. Those people knowingly sneak into this country and are quite aware it is unlawlful. They work for low wages but largely those wages are sent back to their homeland. The money is spent in this country. They are here illegally and deliberately take advantage of American taxayers. It costs billions to educate them to use English, they get frre school meals, several families live in aone dwelling and live as in Mexico throwing trash on the streets, around their home in Amercia, keep chickens running in/out of their dwellings, and get free medical care. Does anyone advocating illegal immigrants know how many get deliberately injured on the job and apply for free income when able to work. Husbands hide to convince social services that the wife is trying to support multiple children on her home. Ask those who live in Texas how often the husband hides in the garage or shed until social services leave with the promise to give free Amercian dollar support. Consider the Hispanic crime rates in this country and those occupying jaiils on Amercian dollars. If they want to live in This country, they should have to get drivers licenses, speak and read English, put their Englis-speakin children in regular classrooms, and pay SS and taxes. Any body who wants to support the illegal immigrants should investigate the facts and the cost to Amercian taxpayers.
Isn't anyone getting the point? This is about more than health care. It is about giving up our rights and freedoms as US citizens. The more you "allow" the government to "provide benefits", the more freedoms you give up. Why do you think one socialist government after another has failed? Their citizens couldn't stand being smothered any longer. Health care can be fixed. It must be fixed. But not at the expense of our freedom.
If this bill has unconstitutional parts is anyone preparing to take it to the courts?
How can the congress change the constitution with out the states action?
Congress does what it is told by the Treasury Secretary and the President. The Constitution is suspended and has been since 1933. This is a FACT, not opinion.
http://sanityisdead.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-congress-is-farce.html
As long as the U.S. is in a declared "State of Emergency", Habeas Corpus is suspended.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act
The act sets a limit of two years on states of national emergency. It also imposes certain "procedural formalities" on the President when invoking such powers.
At least two constitutional rights are subject to revocation during a state of emergency:
The right of habeas corpus, under Article 1, Section 9;
The right to a grand jury for members of the National Guard when in actual service, under Fifth Amendment.
VOILA!!!!! We have no rights. Period.
Issued on Sept 10th, the day before the emergency would expire.....
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Notice-of-continuation-from-the-President-regarding-the-emergency-declared-with-respect-to-the-September-11-2001-terrorist-attacks/
Now we know why Bin Laden speaks from the grave every Sept 10th, right on cue. So the President can extend the National Emergency.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/To-the-Congress-of-the-United-States-6-24-09/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Continuation-of-the-National-Emergency-with-Respect-to-the-Western-Balkans/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Notice-regarding-the-continuation-of-the-national-emergency-with-respect-to-the-risk-of-nuclear-proliferation/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_emergency#United_States
The United States is officially in an ongoing (and effectively permanent) state of emergency declared by several Presidents due to multiple problems and those problems are not going away anytime soon.
I agree with Jessica. We can't just sit back and let this happen! Who do we contact and how can we take action against this? I never thought in my lifetime I would see something like this happen. I am afraid for my son's future and the future of all TRUE Americans.
There does not need to be a declaration by the President of a National Emergency, its actually part of the Constitution, but used in the wrong way. It's also included in the law.
Where does this come from? Is it possible that, in our Constitution, there could be some section which could contemplate what these previous documents are referring to? In Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution of the United States of America, we find the following words:
"The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion, the public Safety may require it."
Habeas Corpus the Great Writ of Liberty. This is the writ which guarantees that the government cannot charge us with and hold us for any crime, unless they follow the procedure of due process of law. This writ also says, in effect, that the privilege of due process of law cannot be suspended, and that the government cannot not operate its arbitrary prerogative power against We the People. But we see that the great Writ of Liberty can, in fact, under the Constitution, be suspended when an invasion or a rebellion necessitates it.
But once it was resolved, the Constitution was to be returned to its peacetime position of authority. In France, the situation under which the constitution could be suspended is called the State of Siege. In Great Britain, it's called the Defense of the Realm Acts. In Germany, in which Hitler became a dictator, it was simply called Article 48. In the United States, it is called the War Powers.
If that was, in fact, the case, we are under a war emergency in this country, then there should be evidence of that war emergency in the current law that exists today. That means we should be able to go to the federal code known as the USC or United States Code, and find that statute, that law, in existence. The law was amended to include not just wars, but national emergencies, calamities or riots.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/12/95.html
(b)
(1) In the event of natural calamity, riot, insurrection, war, or other emergency conditions occurring in any State whether caused by acts of nature or of man, the Comptroller of the Currency may designate by proclamation any day a legal holiday for the national banking associations located in that State. In the event that the emergency conditions affect only part of a State, the Comptroller of the Currency may designate the part so affected and may proclaim a legal holiday for the national banking associations located in that affected part.
And if we went to the library today and picked up a copy of 12 USC and went to Section 95(b), we will find a law which states:
"The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March the 4th, 1933, pursuant to the amended [12 USCS Sec. 95a], are hereby approved and confirmed. (Mar. 9, 1933, c. 1, Title 1, Sec. 1, 48 Stat, 1.)".
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIK_enUS276US279&q=12+usc+95+b+1933
Now, what does this mean? It means that everything the President or the Secretary of the Treasury has done since March the 4th of 1933, or anything that the President or the Secretary of the Treasury is hereafter going to do, is automatically approved and confirmed.
Congress is not in charge of ANYTHING except for the passing of bills it is told to pass by the Treasury Secretary or President. Congress can't declare war anymore, the President can do it without their approval as evidenced in Iraq. Why else would Congress pass laws they have not even had the time to review or read? Because they are TOLD to.
Now we understand why the President and the Treasury Secretary threatened Congress with Martial Law if the $700 Billion Bank Bailout bill was not passed immediately in late 2008.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS326US326&q=congress%20threatened%20with%20martial%20law&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#
Except, our Constitution never gets returned to its peacetime position of authority because we keep declaring national emergencies.
This is why we operate under the Uniform Commercial Code instead of the Constitution.
It is all about Commerce, Licensing for Commerce (Business license), and TAXES. You must have a business license to operate in commerce. If found out, you will go to jail.
They force everyone to pay into the system like this.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode12/usc_sec_12_00000095---a000-.html
(1) During the time of war, the President may, through any agency that he may designate, and under such rules and regulations as he may prescribe, by means of instructions, licenses, or otherwise—
(A) investigate, regulate, or prohibit, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit or payments between, by, through, or to any banking institution, and the importing, exporting, hoarding, melting, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion, currency or securities, and
(B) investigate, regulate, direct and compel, nullify, void, prevent or prohibit, any acquisition holding, withholding, use, transfer, withdrawal, transportation, importation or exportation of, or dealing in, or exercising any right, power, or privilege with respect to, or transactions involving, any property in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any interest,
Agencies he may designate.....IRS, FBI, CIA, NSA, DEA,
If you so much as TOUCH a coin, paper money, or securities (Bearer Bonds) without a business license, you are guilty.
Then we read further down in the same law...
"by any person, or with respect to any property, subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; and any property or interest of any foreign country or national thereof shall vest, when, as, and upon the terms, directed by the President, in such agency or person as may be designated from time to time by the President, and upon such terms and conditions as the President may prescribe such interest or property shall be held, used, administered, liquidated, sold, or otherwise dealt with in the interest of and for the benefit of the United States"
This was written strictly for the IRS to seize our stuff and sell it for the benefit of the United States. Its a REPOSSESSION law or SEIZURE law. Another thing against the Constitution.
Basically, the law was amended to say that the citizens of the U.S. were now the same as enemies. In the Trading with the Enemies Act, nobody can operate (work) in Commerce without a license. We are all forced to work for "money" issued by the Federal Reserve. This is how we get trapped into paying income taxes.
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws. ~ Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Now we know why he said that.
Welcome to the greatest scam in history, at least we have a front row seat.
question....
I know that all members of Congress as well as the President take an oath to uphold the constution.
Since oaths are usually taken before God, and our government has taken the "seperation of church and state" to the extreme of denying that God exists in our government, my question is this:
Are there any mortal reprocussions (enforcable law) of breaking that oath?
Thank you for your enlightening posts. This is a very scary time for the US and I am grateful to you for taking the time to read the bill and explain the repercussions of such. You are a true American.
Travis, heady stuff. Sad but true. If you want to send email to your congress person try this website to find them. Email them often.
aticama: Thanks for the kind words, I get a little satisfaction when people tell me that they even understand the jibberish I write.
I just want to make people aware of the giant scam and how it all ties together.
I tried to write my Congressman but all I get back is chain-letter emails in an auto-reply.
I did make a visit a while back to State Legislator Barbara Norton's office (D-Louisiana) I told her I wanted to congratulate her on her first term in office. I then told her it was going to be her last term if I had anything to do with it.
She is the genius responsible for the rap "concert" on the floor of the La Legislature while it was in session!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpEdJ_tlX2A
This type of B.S. is what's wrong with La. We have much more important issues than rapping on the House Floor, especially in this state.
My point was, I tend to not email my elected officials anymore, I would rather go directly to their office and tell them to their faces.
Where is someone like Huey Long when we need him?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huey_Long
The man was only Governor for 4 years. Imagine what he would have done if President. Most people don't know the true history of Huey, they only hear that he was crooked and a skirt chaser.
So was JFK but it didn't keep him from doing what was right for our country.
"Jesus (my dishwasher, not the prophet) should be left to bleed out in the gutter because he cut himself on a kitchen knife? No, of course not, you say - he has Workman's Comp, right? Oh wait... he's illegal (and I'm pretty sure his employer won't be fronting the $$$). Well then, he should just pay an $1800.00 E.R. bill from his $5 an hour job. But wait, that's below the minimum wage. Yeah, it is, but he's "lucky to get it." Right? Are you with me?"
He's your dishwasher, Micheal, and you know he's illegal!!
I recently ran into several suspected illegals in the ER who were treated. Imagine that. Maybe the hospital can send the bills to their home countries.
Being illegal is a personal choice.
Jack:
Being "Illegal" is a choice, but its a choice they are forced to make. Be illegal or starve.
The problem is not with the illegal immigrants who come here to make a better life for themselves, the problem is with the AMERICANS and AMERICAN Companies that hire them!!
I'm getting a little tired of everyone blaming each other for the illegal immigration issue in this country.
Who keeps hiring all these illegal immigrants here in the U.S.? The Russians?
If there were no Americans steadily hiring them, my guess is there would be no illegals working here. There must be a job market demand for them, there are about 25 million of them here.
They are trying to scratch out a living like everyone else. Don't blame the immigrants, blame the upstanding citizens who keep hiring them. It's like the drug trade: The drug trade would dry up overnight if there was no demand for it. Don't blame the drug dealers, blame the clowns snorting up the dope. They are the ones supplying the $$$ to the dealers. If there is no demand, there will be no supply.
Liberals blame the Conservatives for all the ills of the world and Conservatives blame the Liberals for all the ills of the world. Too much finger-pointing and not enough elbow grease never fixed a DAMN thing, which is what our political system has declined to. Meanwhile, it's nice to blame someone else, we get to feel morally superior without taking the blame. I think it is safe to say the 2-party voting system is a utter failure and a new solution needs to be introduced. Quickly.
We put a probe on Mars and Venus years ago and I have seen a Polar Bear ride a bicycle in person. Nobody will ever convince me that a solution to the problem that benefits EVERYONE cannot be found. It can be, it's not that hard. But a few capitalist's in our Free Enterprise system want to make a few extra $$ of profit. If the immigrant is getting exploited for his low wage and slave-like working conditions, and Americans like us are getting exploited by sending our jobs overseas and having a less qualified and less paid guy take our place....... ..Then who is benefitting? The people hiring the illegal immigrants!!
The one benefitting from the problem is the one CAUSING the problem.
Stop listening to Faux News and the people on TV that are paid Million$ to tell you how to think. Who do you think pays the bills for the TV stations? Corporate sponsors! They pay idiots lik Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly Million$ a year to tell you how to think. They get paid to do THEIR jobs, which is telling you what corporations think you should "know".
It's an insult to your intellect if you think about it.
Another tidbit for thought: It is our RIGHT to abolish the current Govt and start a new Govt when it becomes destructive to We The People.
Taken from the first paragraph, Declaration of Independence:
"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident; that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. ~ Thomas Jefferson
I'll point to the important part of that text:
"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness"
I think it is safe to say our GOVT is destructive, don't you?
No, Travis, the problem IS the illegal immigrants who come here. As to whether they are making a better life for themselves or any others is another issue. Yes, Americans hire them, and yes, these people and companies need to be severely punished. Two laws are being broken here by two different groups; illegals; and employers.
As for the blame game, IMO, that serves no end other than giving someone a good vent. I’d rather invest in the responsibility game, whose going to do something about it.
As for abolishing the government, I’d be very concerned with whom we would replace it. Both parties are riddled with corruption. And we haven’t identified any heroes. I think we stand a good or better chance of cleaning it up though. First wave is 2010, the more incumbents we oust, the quicker the re-founding.
The insurance and lawyers must be payng you well!
Jack:
I agree with you on the blame game. Nobody is standing up and taking responsibility but I think that falls on us and who we vote for.
The problem is the people that hire them. If nobody hired them, illegals would all turn around and head home once they figured out they were not going to make a dime here.
The elephant in the room nobody wants to talk about is the Federal Reserve. That is the root of THE problem.
Travis:
Yes, our vote or lack thereof is a culprit as is our tacit approval of political corruption through our complacency of dishonest reporting by our political representatives. Case in point, a President who has said that he is a proponent of single-payer health-care system standing before the nations cameras and saying that he hasn't made such a claim. This is only one example of the mistruths of politicians and it is not a partisian problem. This bothers me greatly.
Again, I content that the employers of illegals is only one part of the problem. While not a Constitutional right for illegals, their choice to immigrate illegally is an irrefutable free choice, economics notwithstanding.
As to your supposition of the root of problems, I'd lean more towards corruption of the people within and behind this enitities.
To Michael
Justified by the General Welfare clause?
Why not the Commerce Clause, Michael?
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commerce_Clause
Besides which, you cite only James Madison on how to read the General welfare clause. Why don't you talk more comprehensively about the conflicting views on it, and it appears that Madison's view has not been used for a while.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxing_and_Spending_Clause#General_Welfare_Clause
and
Bobby:
You need to take a look at the 1995 Supreme Court case of United States v. Lopez. It was the 1st Supreme Court case since the Depression to seriously limit what Congress can do under the Commerce Clause. The Commerce Clause has never been interpreted to allow the Federal Government to force the American people to buy anything, including health insurance.
Michael:
That is good that you brought up United States v. Lopez. However, that case doesn't answer why HR3200 or any health care bill for that matter violates the Commerce Clause.
I cited United States v. Lopez in a response to your other article. I used this case to show that you have not shown why HR3200 goes beyond the Commerce Clause. That case was about the Gun-free School Zone Act of 1990, a federal statute that outlawed guns near schools. The Supreme Court said that it went beyond the Commerce clause because guns or prevention of gun violence as a local matter had nothing to do
with interstate commerce.
see http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/93-1260.ZO.html
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez
I have also shown in another case, the Supreme court had found that a particular legislation went beyond the Commerce Clause. United States v. Morrison, 529 U.S. 598 (2000). (Violence against Women act found not to be within Commerce
Clause power).
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Morrison
and
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-5.ZS.html
However, the Supreme Court upheld a federal law against growing marijuana for medicinal purposes, which in this case was shown to be purely within the state and never entered interstate commerce, in Gonzales v. Raich (2005). Within the context of Morrison and Lopez, it should have been struck down too. Because of the Gonzales case, It is uncertain if the Supreme Court will continue to hold Morrison or Lopez.
see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich
and
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/display.html?terms=Gonzales%20v.%20Raich&url=/supct/html/03-1454.ZO.html
Moreover, None of these cases overrule other Commerce Clause cases dealing with issues like racial discrimination, labor law, securities law, and so on. Lopez and Morrison have insisted on some limit on the Commerce clause if the law has
nothing to do with interstate commerce or is non-economic. This was made uncertain by Gonzales. You do have a friend in Justice Clarence Thomas because he dissented in Gonzales in which ONLY states are allowed to govern the issue of medical
marijuana. The only conservative Supreme Court judge to do so.
However, Health care reform has a lot to do with interstate commerce. Does it not? How does regulating health care not justified by the Commerce clause because it has not interstate commerce?
If you want to characterize Health care reform as "forcing" the people to buy something, then explain exactly how.
Moreover, explain why regulating does not include "forcing" people to do something under the Commerce Clause.
Here is what the Supreme Court said about the power to regulate under the Commerce Clause: "It is the power to regulate; that is, to prescribe the rule by which commerce is to be governed. This power, like all others vested in Congress, is complete in itself, may be exercised to its utmost extent, and acknowledges no limitations, other than are prescribed in
the constitution," see Gibbons v. Odgen, 22 U.S. 1, 196 (1824), available at http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=CASE&court=US&vol=22&page=1.
Bobby, no amount of debate on the commerce clause can change the our constitutional guarantees against infringement of the bill of rights.
Hence, your debate of the commerce clause is really a moot issue.
However, I would still like to know why you seem almost unfazed by the potential for your own healthcare to become suddenly very different? Are you concerned and why or why not?
Nothing in the political arena terrifies me more than government controlled health care.
Nothing in the political arena terrifies me more than government controlled health care.
I have spent hours, day after day, reading information and debates on this healthcare "bill" or reform. I am an retired old school hospital nurse, but the legal wording of all of this is way over my head. Most of us 'average' Americans are trying to understand the implications, and so many conflicting opinions, you can not depend on media 'fact checks' and both parties spit out accusations and mis statements. all of this to say, your columns have given me a lot of information that my common sense tells me is accurate and important to know. I trust my common sense...it has gotten me along almost 70 years with many good experiences and minimal regrets. My own son is an attorney in florida, and i trust him and know he has always been truthful with me..when he tells me the law is written for lawyers, i understand what he is saying, and so i appreciate the fact that you have shared your opinions, put your thoughts out here to help others without legal backgrounds to understand what we are dealing with now.
What it all makes me feel like is helpless...how my one vote can change anything before it is too late...but my one vote joined with millions of others can and does make a difference. My husba nd and I both went to Washington to join a march against huge spending and other issues ...we had never been to Washington, and drove there from Alabama.. I did not know what to expect, I just felt like I had to be there. I was not alone. So many others just like us were there, walking up to the Capitol, it was a peaceful march just to make a point, "we do not want government to have any more control of our lives, our money, or our healthcare."
when we watched the news, we saw national news people and Washington politicians dismiss us, even called us derogatory names, insulted us, said we were not representative of main stream America.
I told my husband to buy a gun when we got home...America is not the same place it was 50 years ago, or even 20 years ago.. we bought guns, took classes to learn gun safety, an older couple who has never owned guns. And we intend to protect our lives and rights what ever way is needed in these strange times... Are we main stream Americans now? Do we fit the "wingnut" title the liberals gave us? I invite a government representative to come on our property and tell us what we have worked all our lives for and saved will now be given to others who will not work, maybe then, when I as a 67 year old woman of the conservative south, in all my 120 pounds and grey hair, eye glasses and apron around my waist with ammunition in my pockets... the title "wingnut" will be more appropriate?
You can also go to www.numbersUSA.com, sign-up and they will let you fax your congressional leaders as often as you want for FREE and you can let you leaders know how you feel about any issue. You type in your zip-code and bingo there they are. This is critical, we must stop this at all cost. The more control you give someone, the less control you have over that someone.
I laughed at your comment that "This means that Congress can do anything it wants by claiming it is for "the general welfare"; they could reinstitute slavery, abolish freedom of speech entirely, or take away a woman's right to vote."
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
So, even if the 4th Amendment didn't enumerate an individual citizen's right to privacy, or the 2nd Amendment didn't protect the individual citizen's right to keep and bear arms, THE NINTH AMENDMENT DOES.
AMENDMENT X to the Constitution of the United States:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Your rants jump to illogical conclusions. I feel sorry for those that follow your opinions.
What are your thoughts on the Constitutional damage being done by the Senate and the way they are moving this forward.
The plan as I understand it now is:
1) Baucus Caucus (Finance Committee) passes their "mark" out of committee.
2) Reid, Baucus, Harkin, and someone from the Obama administration (rahm emanuel perhaps?) will meet, negotiate and put together a final bill. I'm not sure if they will work from the mark from Finance committee, or actual legislative language from that mark. From the HELP committee, S.1679 is already available online.
3) The Senate takes up H.R.1586, the bonus tax measure that the house passed earlier this year.
4) Reid? Harkin? Baucus? Pick one, proposes an amendment in the form of a substitute, substituting the merged health care bill for H.R.1586 as it passed the house.
Why these last two steps? Because they want to work around Article 1, Section 7 of the constitution. The Senate can't propose this on their own because the House must originate all revenue measures.
5) Cloture vote on the newly amended H.R.1586.
6) Senate passes H.R.1586.
At this point, the House, and Pelosi, have a tough decision. The pressure from the Administration and the Senate will be to concur with the Senate amendments to H.R.1586. If they do that, it goes straight to the President for the signing ceremony.
If Pelosi and the House leadership want to send it to conference, then the conference committee (all Democrats, I'm sure) will hammer out the compromise. But there might have to be a 3/5ths vote in the Senate if any Senator raises a point of order against the conference report. The House can pass the conference report on a simple majority, but it would very likely raise a point of order in the Senate and require 60 votes to set aside the point of order.
The Constitutional issues surround Article 1 Section 7, and the powers of the House. The Senate is trying to (again) usurp those powers. They are trying to originate a revenue bill.
Last year, a bipartisan group of Senators tried this with the "Emergency Economic Stabilization Act." They attached that to H.R. 1424, which started as the "Wellstone Mental Health and Addiction Equity Act." I grilled my two Senators about that act, and their defense was that the main language of that substitute bill had originated in the House. The House rejected it, yes, but they wrote the language that the Senate passed. And one Senator wrote back that this "workaround" for Article 1 Section 7 was not unprecedented, though he neglected to cite an actual precedent where this procedure had been used before.
This year, it is entirely partisan. And there is no pretense that the language of the Senate Health Care bills "originated" in the House. They are ignoring Article 1 Section 7 and usurping the power of taxation from the House.
I still wonder if Pelosi will allow her own power to be diminished like this. I doubt she cares about the Constitution or the institution of the House. But if this happens, she is the Speaker of Nothing. The House loses it's lock on the power to originate revenue bills.
Your thoughts on this?
Mr. Connelly is a LAWYER???? Really? Was he never trained in logic?
And - although I probably shouldn't ask - what religion does he adhere to? Surely not Christianity, because Christianity teaches something entirely different than what Mr. Connelly is proposing.
I think he's just a grumpy old man who wouldn't like ANYTHING that didn't specifically help HIM.
What interesting correspondents you draw, Mr. Connelly! Larry, just ahead of me, is such a darling. If we ever have a chance to rewrite the Constitution, I propose that we make one simple change in punction. "Congress shall make no laws." Period. Cordially, Linda Brady Traynham
You wrote: "I will make one final point. Supporters of the health care legislation are claiming that Congress has the constitutional right under Article 1, Section 9 to make this massive power grab. That section of the Constitution states that Congress has the power to provide '…for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States…' "
Are you referring instead to the Preamble? Those words do not appear in Article I.
